Comments on: Excuse me, Ariel isn’t in Israel http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/excuse-me-ariel-isnt-in-israel/ A Progressive, Skeptical Blog on Israel, Judaism, Culture, Politics, and Literature Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:02:45 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Is Hamas Looking For a Two-State Solution? Should We Listen? « South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/excuse-me-ariel-isnt-in-israel/#comment-223 Is Hamas Looking For a Two-State Solution? Should We Listen? « South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:00:58 +0000 http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/?p=81#comment-223 [...] Excuse Me, Ariel isn’t in Israel [...] [...] Excuse Me, Ariel isn’t in Israel [...]

]]> By: The Other Alan http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/excuse-me-ariel-isnt-in-israel/#comment-167 The Other Alan Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:10:17 +0000 http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/?p=81#comment-167 How confusing when we all know that Israel is Palestine, Palestine is Israel, and it's all occupied by residents who call it home. Sounds like a problem when we insist that what is isn't, and what isn't ought to be. How confusing when we all know that Israel is Palestine, Palestine is Israel, and it’s all occupied by residents who call it home. Sounds like a problem when we insist that what is isn’t, and what isn’t ought to be.

]]> By: William Burns http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/excuse-me-ariel-isnt-in-israel/#comment-164 William Burns Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:16:31 +0000 http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/?p=81#comment-164 Shorter Y. Ben-David: It's in Israel when that's convenient, it's not in Israel when that's convenient. Shorter Y. Ben-David:

It’s in Israel when that’s convenient, it’s not in Israel when that’s convenient.

]]> By: Y. Ben-David http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/excuse-me-ariel-isnt-in-israel/#comment-163 Y. Ben-David Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:47 +0000 http://southjerusalem.wordpress.com/?p=81#comment-163 Ariel, like Hevron, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and many other towns are in Eretz Israel. Mail is delivered addressed to "Ariel, Israel". No one in the world recognizes the "pre-1967 green line" as a political boundary, except for the Israeli Left. It is no more than an cease-fire line. UN Security Council Resolutions call for an Israel withdrawal "from territories occuped in the Six-Day War", not "THE territories", thus showing they do not recognize it as a political border. No major country ever put their embassies in WEST Jerusalem, thus not recognizing the Green Line as a border. The Palestinians do not recognize the Green Line as a border because they insist on the "right of return" to within the Green Line, thus not recognizing Israeli sovereignity even within that line, since they do not recognize Israel's right to decide who has the right to live within it.. The US and others recognize the right of the Palestinians to demand the "right of return" and that it is subject to negotiation, thus agreeing that Israel is not really sovereign within those lines. The only lines that have any possible legal validity are the 1947 UN Partition lines, but then that makes Jerusalem, Ramla, Lod, Ashdod, Ashqelon, the Jerusalem Corridor and many other places "occupied territories" also, since they were captured in the 1948 War of Independence, yet you claim they ARE in Israel. Totally arbitrary. Jewish claims to Eretz Israel are historic and religious. An arbitrary cease-fire line takes away no legitimacy whatsoever from Jews living within their historic homeland that happens to be outside that line. It is these historic and religious ties that were recognized by the League of Nations which gave Jews the right to live not only in Judea/Samaria/Gaza BUT ALSO IN TRANSJORDAN. The "Peace Treaty" with Jordan has (temporarily) suspended those Jewish rights there, but no such agreement has ever been signed with the Palestinians (Oslo makes no mentions of the settlements in Judea/Samaria), nor will any such agreement be signed in the future. Ariel, like Hevron, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and many other towns are in Eretz Israel. Mail is delivered addressed to
“Ariel, Israel”.
No one in the world recognizes the “pre-1967 green line” as a political boundary, except for the Israeli Left. It is no more than an cease-fire line. UN Security Council Resolutions call for an Israel withdrawal “from territories occuped in the Six-Day War”, not “THE territories”, thus showing they do not recognize it as a political border. No major country ever put their embassies in WEST Jerusalem, thus not recognizing the Green Line as a border. The Palestinians do not recognize the Green Line as a border because they insist on the “right of return” to within the Green Line, thus not recognizing Israeli sovereignity even within that line, since they do not recognize Israel’s right to decide who has the right to live within it.. The US and others recognize the right of the Palestinians to demand the “right of return” and that it is subject to negotiation, thus agreeing that Israel is not really sovereign within those lines.
The only lines that have any possible legal validity are the 1947 UN Partition lines, but then that makes Jerusalem, Ramla, Lod, Ashdod, Ashqelon, the Jerusalem Corridor and many other places “occupied territories” also, since they were captured in the 1948 War of Independence, yet you claim they ARE in Israel. Totally arbitrary. Jewish claims to Eretz Israel are historic and religious. An arbitrary cease-fire line takes away no legitimacy whatsoever from Jews living within their historic homeland that happens to be outside that line.
It is these historic and religious ties that were recognized by the League of Nations which gave Jews the right to live not only in Judea/Samaria/Gaza BUT ALSO IN TRANSJORDAN. The “Peace Treaty” with Jordan has (temporarily) suspended those Jewish rights there, but no such agreement has ever been signed with the Palestinians (Oslo makes no mentions of the settlements in Judea/Samaria), nor will any such agreement be signed in the future.

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